Showing posts with label HDL - triglyceride ratio. Show all posts
Showing posts with label HDL - triglyceride ratio. Show all posts

Monday, 8 April 2013

Three Reasons Not To Worry About LDL Cholesterol On A Low-Carb Diet - Laura Dolson

Laura Dolson discusses Three Reasons Not To Worry About LDL Cholesterol On A Low-Carb Diet and notes that HDL over 50 and triglycerides under 100 will almost always mean your LDL size is the Pattern A (large, buoyant kind) that you want.

Dr. Jeff Volek has found in his research patients a greatly improved triglyceride/HDL ratio eating a low-carb diet and that this is a much better marker for heart health than LDL or total cholesterol.

As far as I know, the advanced particle size lipid testing has not been used by Dr. Volek, Dr. Eric Westman at Duke or others looking at low-carb diets in their research. I hope that they do add this extra bit of data for the benefit of those who may see some crazy numbers like Dr. Patel and I (and I’m sure many other low-carbers) are seeing.

I’ve said it many times before, but reducing your carbohydrate intake, moderating your protein consumption and consuming higher levels of healthy fats that include saturated fat are the best ways to not just lose weight but making critical positive changes for the better in your lipid panel happen.

[extract from Jimmy Moore]



Saturday, 6 April 2013

Lipidologist Dr. Thomas Dayspring Explains The Truth About Cholesterol (« Jimmy Moore)

The LLVLC Show (Episode 585): Lipidologist Dr. Thomas Dayspring Explains The Truth About Cholesterol « Jimmy Moore's Livin' La Vida Low Carb Blog

nb: he says that LDL particle size is irrelevant, and that only particle number is relevant 

In Episode 585 of “The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show with Jimmy Moore,” we welcome the Director of Cardiovascular Education at the Richmond, VA-based Foundation for Health Improvement and Technology (FHIT) and lipid expert Dr. Thomas Dayspring.

Listen to Dr. Thomas Dayspring enlighten on cholesterol:




  • When he came out of medical school, there was nothing on lipids




  • How he’s tried to bring clarity to lipid health




  • The science has “so radically changed” in recent years




  • Everything that’s been taught is “pretty much dead wrong”




  • Cholesterol measurements can be “incredibly deceiving”




  • Total cholesterol was all there was in the 1970s




  • Higher cholesterol was considered a risk for heart disease




  • The Framingham Study tied heart risk with high cholesterol




  • All research started to “chase cholesterol” after this




  • It seemed if you could cut cholesterol then risk lowered




  • This started a race to create drugs to drop cholesterol




  • Why do 70% of heart events still happen despite the meds?




  • You need skeptics with anything that we’ve been told




  • New physicians will learn what they’ve learned will be outdated




  • Many young doctors tend to be a little more “open-minded”




  • Unfortunately, med students are taught by the old guard




  • Atherosclerosis is simply an accumulation of sterols




  • Growing plaque gets inflamed which leads to a clot




  • Cholesterol is the killer but only if it’s in the artery wall




  • But cholesterol is a vital element in the human body




  • Cholesterol in your plasma (blood) isn’t hurting anyone




  • If cholesterol is high in blood, people think it’s high in arteries




  • Tim Russert a prime example of cholesterol theory failure




  • Cholesterol are oils and not soluble in liquids




  • No human has lipids “floating around” in the blood




  • These oils are wrapped in proteins called lipoproteins




  • Lipids go nowhere in the human body without lipoproteins




  • This is the only way cholesterol gets into artery wall




  • A lipoprotein that “crashes your artery wall” is atherogenic




  • If particles carrying LDL cholesterol are high, lower it




  • You can have low cholesterol and a nightmare particle number




  • This is why people can die with normal cholesterol numbers




  • If statins remove LDL cholesterol, it may not get particles




  • When VLDL loses triglycerides, it becomes LDL cholesterol




  • HDL is “classically but erroneously” called “good cholesterol”




  • How total cholesterol is calculated on lipid testing




  • Doctors tend to only pay attention to LDL particles




  • If LDL is high, it’s assumed you have too many LDL particles




  • NMR Lipoprofile counts the number of LDL, VLDL and HDL particles




  • Apolipoprotein B (ApoB) is a “much better predictor of heart attack”




  • Normal ApoB is what you are looking for more than anything




  • There’s “no use” for getting a VAP test conducted




  • You need to “insist” on getting ApoB or LDL particle counts




  • Berkeley does give you an ApoB, but it focuses on wrong things




  • Small LDL particles are “irrelevant” as a risk factor




  • Familial hypercholesterolemia is horrendous on health




  • Why spend your money on useless lipid testing?




  • The treatment strategy varies according to risk degree




  • First line therapy is “always nutritional”




  • When your liver makes VLDL particles, it turns to triglycerides




  • Doctors ignore triglycerides unless they’re high–BIG MISTAKE!




  • What raises triglycerides? It’s the carbohydrates!




  • LDL cholesterol can look fine but LDL particle count is “lethal”




  • But you won’t be fine because they’re loaded with triglycerides




  • Doctors need to be telling patients to “cut the damn carbs”




  • Ignore cholesterol and check your triglycerides first




  • The total cholesterol limit of 200 is “ancient history”




  • HDL and triglycerides should both be 50




  • The HDL world is “radically changing” now too




  • CETP will pull triglycerides out of VLDL to LDL and HDL




  • The mechanism behind why triglycerides go up, HDL goes down




  • On a low-carb diet, triglycerides go down and HDL increases




  • The only thing that really matters is HDL particle count




  • If you have high HDL cholesterol but low HDL particle count…




  • You can be at greater risk for heart disease




  • Pay attention to the HDL particles you have over anything




  • There have been no goals for HDL cholesterol because of this




  • Low HDL is usually a risk factor because of high triglycerides




  • Low HDL is no risk for heart disease if triglycerides are low




  • More important: ApoB, LDL particles and HDL particles




  • The American Heart Association’s “Get With The Guidelines”




  • 136,000 people with heart disease were included in this




  • 55% had an LDL cholesterol under 100




  • 18% had an LDL cholesterol under 70




  • Flip a coin: heads you win, tails you lose




  • Average American triglyceride level: 140-150 (NOT GOOD!)




  • Get an ApoB or an LDL particle count




  • If you’re insulin resistant, read Gary Taubes‘ booksThere are four ways you can listen to Episode 585:

    1. Listen at the iTunes page for the podcast:

    2. Listen and comment about the show at the official web site for the podcast:

    3. Download the MP3 file of Episode 585 [48:35m]:

    4. Listen on the Stitcher app–NO DOWNLOADING!


    It’s not often we are privileged to have someone quite like a lipidologist with the credentials of Dr. Dayspring also from LecturePad.org joining us on the podcast. You might remember seeing him in a series of YouTube videos from Specialty Health in December 2011 with Gary Taubes.

    The way he spoke and the information he provided in those videos made me want to have him appear on my podcast.
    After being in private medical practice for 36 years helping his patients understand the importance (or lack thereof) of their cholesterol test results, Dr. Dayspring has turned his attention to educating his fellow physicians, medical school students and laypeople alike on the various intricacies of advanced lipoprotein testing like the NMR Lipoprofile test through his very popular lectures given all across the United States.

    He is THE go-to expert on the subject of lipids and what they mean as you’ll quickly hear in today’s interview. Listen in as I get Dr. Dayspring to zero in on the heart of the issue regarding what cholesterol test results really mean and the key markers you need to be aware of in determining your overall health that nobody is currently talking about. A publisher has commissioned me to write a book about a layman’s perspective to understanding your cholesterol test results and Dr. Dayspring will certainly be one of my key resources for information in researching and writing about this extremely critical subject. This podcast today is a keeper and will surely stir the pot of controversy a time or two by the end. ENJOY!

    NOTE: My apologies for the poor sound quality of this podcast interview. I have updated my recording equipment for better stability and future episodes will sound better than this. THANK YOU again for your faithful support of this podcast!
  • Thursday, 4 April 2013

    Low triglycerides, high LDL & particle size - High Cholesterol Message Board

    Low triglycerides, high LDL - High Cholesterol Message Board

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    LDL cholesterol can be broken down into two kinds, pattern A and pattern B. LDL pattern A is large fluffy particles that are less dense than pattern B and not easily oxidized. LDL pattern A is essentially benign with respect to heart disease. LDL pattern B on the other hand is small dense particles that are easily oxidized and more closely associated with heart disease. It has been theorized that the harm to the arteries is associated with oxidized cholesterol. Ok, enough about that. To summarize, LDL pattern B (think small dense BBs) is bad, LDL pattern A (light and fluffy) is not a problem.

    Now you would think that the lab actually measured your LDL, but they likely didn't.

     Most labs just calculate LDL from the following equation:

    LDL = Total Cholesterol
     - HDL - triglycerides/5. 

    So from this, you don't know if you are predominately LDL pattern A (no big deal) or predominately LDL pattern B (much more risk).

    Some labs do have the capability to measure the LDL gradient and can determine your predominate LDL pattern type. However, there is another way.

    Studies have shown that there is a strong correlation between:

    - a low triglyceride/high HDL level and LDL pattern A (the non risky kind), and conversely

    - a high triglyceride/low HDL level is strongly associated with LDL pattern B (the harmful kind). 

    This is one reason that high triglycerides alone are an independent risk factor for heart disease.

    Ok, where am I going with this with respect to your situation.

    Other studies have shown that a high triglyceride/HDL ratio is the best indicator for heart disease risk (approximately 8x better at predicting heart disease risk than high total cholesterol alone). 

    A triglyeride/HDL ratio of 5.0 is moderate risk and the higher the number, the higher the risk, while a ratio of < 2.0 is very low risk.

    From what I have just described, you can see that with your very low triglyceride level (<100) and moderately high HDL level (>50) you are at very low risk of heart disease.

    Also, your very low triglyceride level indicates that your LDL is predominately pattern A, the harmless kind. If you are still concerned, you can have your LDL gradient measured to determine your LDL pattern type.

    I wouldn't even remotely consider cholesterol lowering medications without knowing your LDL pattern type to see if there is any risk associated with your lipid levels because there are potential significant side effects (muscle damage, neurological damage, liver damage, even death - i.e. the Baycol recall) associated with many cholesterol lowering medications (statins in particular).

    Oh, and I think that your low sugar, lower carbohydrate diet is the way to go to lower your risk of heart disease because of the positive effects it has on triglycerides and HDL.

    Alan


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    The tragedy of science is the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact. T H Huxley

     

    HDL & Triglycerides - Better Markers For Cardiovascular Risk Than LDL: Study

    Monday, January 29, 2007

    Study: HDL, Triglycerides
    Better Markers For Cardiovascular Risk Than LDL

    "What the researchers found was startling--LDL particle numbers and size were found to be no more predictive of cardiovascular risk than the often ignored HDL and triglyceride numbers. In other words, the general practice of most doctors to zero in on LDL cholesterol particle size and total number alone when assessing the risk for future coronary heart disease issues is outdated and should not longer be used, according to the researchers"

    An article published at TheHeart.org today about a new study on the vital importance of measuring HDL and triglycerides instead of simply relying on the traditional Framingham risk score looking at LDL cholesterol particle size and numbers as predictors of the risk for a cardiovascular event should be an eye-opening moment for those in the medical community still living in the Ice Age with their medical knowledge.

    Lead researcher Dr. Karim El Harchaoui, from the Academic Medical Center in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, along with his fellow researchers used a relatively new measuring technique called a nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy to see if LDL cholesterol could be connected with the risk for a future cardiovascular event in over 25,000 study participants who had moderately high LDL levels in the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition (aka the EPIC project) that took place from 1993-1999.

    In all, Dr. El Harchaoui and his team looked at the 1,003 study participants who developed cardiovascular disease over the six-year study and compared them with 1,885 control subjects to predict the odds of having another cardiovascular event, specifically looking at the LDL particle count and size for measuring taking into account the HDL and triglyceride numbers.

    What the researchers found was startling--LDL particle numbers and size were found to be no more predictive of cardiovascular risk than the often ignored HDL and triglyceride numbers. In other words, the general practice of most doctors to zero in on LDL cholesterol particle size and total number alone when assessing the risk for future coronary heart disease issues is outdated and should not longer be used, according to the researchers.

    I ran into this very same thing personally last April when I visited my doctor and he expressed his concern about my LDL numbers coming back moderately elevated after using a traditional cholesterol test. When I explained to him how my triglyceride/HDL ratio was outstanding with readings of 72 and 42 respectively, his response back to me literally floored me.

    Here's what I wrote about that experience at the time:

    He responded that while those numbers are good and my weight loss has been quite impressive, those are simply IRRELEVANT when you are talking about LDL as a separate measuring stick for the risk of heart disease. He acknowledged that most medical professionals give more weight to the LDL than they do HDL or triglycerides these days and that they want to see that LDL number go as low as possible regardless of what the other numbers are.

    Seriously?! Is he kidding me? I'm not a doctor nor do I pretend to understand all the aspects of the cholesterol debate, but that seems just a bit shortsighted to me. Why even measure HDL or triglycerides if they aren't as important as LDL, hmmm?

    Rather than encouraging me with the incredible IMPROVEMENTS that I have seen in my HDL, my doctor dismisses these numbers and even ignores the total cholesterol/HDL ratio which at 3.5 is well within what is considered the "safe" range.

    But, noooooooooooooo! It's all about the LDL and nothing else. Yikes! Has it really come to THIS in the practice of medicine these days that we live in such a cookie cutter society that everyone must be treated exactly the same? Was losing 180 pounds not enough for ya, doc?


    Now we have a study confirming it really is more than just about the LDL and that low-HDL and high triglycerides are a good predictor of a very high risk for cardiovascular disease. This is not good news for people who eat a high-carb diet since this recent study confirms consuming all those carbohydrates makes your HDL go way down and your triglycerides go way up.

    Just in case you missed the message of all this so far, here's a recap: Eating too many carbs lowers HDL and raises triglycerides. Having low-HDL and high triglycerides INCREASES your risk for coronary heart disease regardless of what your LDL cholesterol number is. Raising your HDL and lowering your triglycerides is tantamount to protecting yourself from any future cardiovascular event. Still with me? Keep reading...

    Dr. Matthijs Boekholdt, one of the co-authors of the study also from the Academic Medical Center, said patients who have even a moderately elevated LDL cholesterol number should not be burdened with the expense of having something like the high-priced VAP test or the equally expensive Liposcience test (both are between $100-200 a pop!) conducted if their HDL is higher than normal and their triglycerides are below 100.

    "Although it's good to be aware of LDL, it's expensive to test," Dr. Boekholdt stated. "We show that HDL and triglycerides provide similar predictive information. Most doctors do not look at HDL or triglycerides because, unlike LDL, treatment for these parameters is not mainstream clinical practice. It would be more useful to be aware of these results, particularly in those with the metabolic syndrome, abdominal obesity, or diabetes."

    Boy, is he ever right! That was EXACTLY my experience when I tried to explain to my doctor about my good HDL and triglyceride numbers. But it was like talking to the wall because he would have nothing of it because my LDL was over 100. I'm thinking of printing out this new study and taking it down to my doctor tomorrow to help educate him about this subject, but I doubt he'll take the time to read it or even care. What's the use when so many in the medical community are oblivious to facts?!

    The conclusion of the researchers is that doctors should stop using LDL levels to treat cardiovascular disease risk as a preventative measure. Uh-oh! What's gonna happen to all these billions of dollars in television ads running for ads for cholesterol-lowering statin drugs like Crestor and Lipitor (both of which I have been on in the past before I started livin' la vida low-carb) if news about this study gets out?

    As if the pain of taking statin drugs wasn't bad enough on its own, now we learn that having a moderately high LDL number is not so bad after all. How many people have added their share of dollars to the coffers of the pharmaceutical industry needlessly because of this trumped up cholesterol crisis we've been told we have, hmmm? It's disgusting if you ask me!

    What is most sad is doctors keep raising the doses higher and higher on these dangerous drugs despite the fact that there have been studies showing elevated LDL cholesterol levels can be good for you as you get older.

    Are doctors even paying attention to all the relevant research that is coming out or are they simply relying on that pharmaceutical rep to tell them what's out there? How much you wanna bet none of them will share this study about the importance of HDL and triglyceride levels in determining heart health risk?

    Dr. Boekholdt said doctors too often look at patients as a collective body using a one-size-fits-all mold rather than the personalized health needs of the individual. That means they should start observing not just the LDL, but also the HDL and triglycerides as part of the standard lipid test results.

    "Most doctors tend to ignore abnormal HDL and triglyceride levels because there is not much you can do about them," he explained.

    Well, actually there is something you can do about abnormally low HDL levels and/or abnormally high triglycerides, Dr. Boekholdt. It's called livin' la vida low-carb. This simple, but effective dietary change has been shown to raise HDL levels without medication and be beneficial for overall cholesterol health, including significantly lowering triglyceride levels to below 100. That's how you know when someone is doing low-carb the right way.

    The fact is when you are on a low-carb diet, the traditional cholesterol results are irrelevant when you DON'T factor in the HDL and triglyceride numbers as well because these are VERY important in assessing the real risk for future heart health problems. I'm pleased to see the research is FINALLY catching up to reality.

    Doctors may know about the risks associated with higher triglyceride levels, but they have not give that as much credence as the LDL cholesterol levels, the researchers contend.

    Despite their negative view of LDL in the study, the researchers say it can still be a useful tool for doctors to help their patients understand the specific risks they face rather than simply relying on one test to determine treatment options for any cholesterol levels that are out of control. Even still, the VAP and Liposcience tests (interestingly, one of the co-authors of this study was a representative from Liposcience headquarters in North Carolina) are costly and sometimes difficult for the average person to access.

    "At any given LDL level, if you have two people and one has increased LDL while the other has normal LDL, the one with the increased LDL is at greater risk of [a cardiovascular event, and this tends to coincide with people who have metabolic dyslipidemia [which usually includes low HDL-C levels and high triglycerides]," the researchers added."

    Get this! Even those people who have been put on one of those joint-jarring statin drugs may STILL be at an elevated risk for heart attack or stroke.

    "There is some evidence that people treated with statins who achieve a good LDL level...remain at high risk," Dr. Boekholdt explained.

    WHOA! So much for those commercials with that freaky-looking heart surgeon who developed the artificial heart touting Lipitor as a healthy way to reduce the risk of heart disease. It looks like that's yet another one of the big fat lies we've been hearing from the so-called health experts for far too long.

    Perhaps low-fat diet advocate Dr. Dean Ornish may want to change his tune about HDL cholesterol in light of this research. Don't bank on it anytime soon!

    This study was published in the January 22, 2007 issue of The Journal of the American College of Cardiology.